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The result was delete. plicit 23:40, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable short film, lacking significant coverage per WP:NF BOVINEBOY2008 22:44, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 23:42, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Unsuccessful candidate fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. KidAdSPEAK 22:01, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Celestina007, you're too kind. KidAdSPEAK 01:53, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@KidAd, thanks, although there are some editors who wouldn’t agree with you on that and argue that I’m a mean an evil witch, it’s refreshing to hear someone call me kind. Thanks mate. Celestina007 (talk) 01:58, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. North America1000 01:30, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Long Shadow (2019 film) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
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Does not pass WP:NFILM, all a search brought up was a single review listed on Rotten Tomatoes, which cannot even be accessed anymore. All other sources found were either about a 2018 documentary or a 2020 Australian novel. Devonian Wombat (talk) 02:54, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. To be frank, even though I created the article, I feel I have only half a dog in this fight, that's why I created it as a stub, hoping people with more knowledge of the movie business might help expand it. It doesn't help that I don't know a great deal about LGBTQ+ movies. I came across the movie on Showtime, where it features in the Pride collection. Googling it, I found little info, but thought this might be one of those movies that missed out on a lot of chances because of the Covid pandemic, and thought someone with more knowledge of movie and LGBTQ+ media might "rescue" the article. What persuaded me to watch it was that Tess Harper is in it. Guess I haven't made much of a case for notability here. == Peter NYC (talk) 03:47, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a relevant LGBTQ+ Wiki project where there might be people with more knowledge? Sorry to sound like an idiot... == Peter NYC (talk) 04:07, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Peter NYC, WikiProject LGBT studies might be a good place to ask for help. Devonian Wombat (talk) 06:39, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some automated process notified me -- I only just noticed -- that it won the Best Louisiana Feature Award at the 2019 New Orleans Film Festival. Should count for some notability. == Peter NYC (talk) 04:43, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Tracked down the review: it's by Claudia Puig, reviewing it for NPR’s Film Week, and I linked to it. The film won an "Honourable Mention" jury award in the "Best LGBTQIA+ Feature" category at the 2020 Oxford Film Festival. == Peter NYC (talk) 01:09, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete. I did a lot of researching but I have not found any coverage from reliable sources yet. It did win an award and the cast seems notable, but the article is lacking that coverage unfortunately. Anonymous 7481 (talk) 00:50, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. plicit 23:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable television film, lacking significant coverage per WP:NF BOVINEBOY2008 21:48, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 09:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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There have been PROD and speedy attempts in the past, let's see what folks here at AfD make of this...

This chat site may be well-established and popular, but I cannot find any proper secondary RS coverage of it, so I'm moving for deletion on notability grounds — fails WP:GNG / WP:WEBSITE.

That said, TBH it does get some media attention, but it seems all to do with paedophile sting operations etc., and even then in local press only, so I don't know if any of that counts as sigcov. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:56, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete on notability (WP:GNG) grounds - no RS coverage beyond, as pointed out, local media paedophile sting stuff. It's not even the world's oldest chat room, so there's no excuse to name check it in the Chat room article, even. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:46, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep based on sources and presumed notability grounds- Chat Avenue is by far one of the oldest and most popular community chat websites on the web (even existing before Facebook, Omegle and Chatroulette). A considerable amount of media-related coverages have also been aired by leading publications such as the BBC and Reddit— with articles dating back to decades ago. There are also many new articles over the past couple decades that mention "Chat Avenue" by name without giving further information. Any individual searching for more information regarding Chat Avenue would discover it here. The deletion of this article would suggest deleting every page linked here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chat_websites in addition to thousands of other articles categorised specifically for chat sites. There have been multiple PROD and speedy deletions attempts in the past which were all rejected. Reeebsss (talk) 15:03, 18 June 2021 (UTC)Reeebsss (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. .--Bbb23 (talk) 14:51, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • 'Presumed notability'? 'One of the oldest chat websites'? These are not policy grounds. And deletion of this article has nothing to do with the others listed in the chat websites one. As for whether previous speedy or PROD attempts were successful has no bearing on this AfD. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:57, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • I have added recent secondary RS coverage. Chat Avenue IS mentioned by many publications (not just some local ones as you claim) and has a very long and extensive history at that. Many of the articles mention chat avenue by name only without much details. A wikipedia article would clear that up for those people and provide some usefulness to this already popular site. Previously speedy deletion and PROD attempts shows that this article has been reviewed before. Bringing this back up yet again would be redundant and questionable, IMO. --Reeebsss (talk) 18:53, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep I just stumbled on this now. Definitely keep. This website is extremely popular and makes headlines often. Many senior editors have edited this article in the past without seeing the need for a deletion. I noticed RS were added recently, so i think it meets the necessary requirements of remaining. Anniehh13 (talk) 03:34, 03 July 2021 (UTC)Anniehh13 (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. --Bbb23 (talk) 14:49, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. plicit 23:44, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Similar case to Guildford and Woking Alliance League in that it does not meet WP:FOOTYN, the WikiProject guideline, and WP:GNG, the main guideline. Google News and Google Books are both coming back with very little. The best I could find were Westmorland Gazette, LG1 and LG2 all of which are examples of trivial, local coverage.

Searching newspaper archives for "North Lancs Football League" and "North Lancashire and District Football League" returns nothing better than basic results and fixture listings, the occasional AGM writeup and a bunch of articles which barely mention the league. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 21:10, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 23:44, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non notable organization that fails to satisfy WP:ORG and invariably has no WP:ORGDEPTH. The organization was established this year thus WP:TOOSOON applies here. Furthermore a before search links me to self published sources, user generated sources and sources without editorial oversight. Celestina007 (talk) 20:29, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 23:45, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Programming list for a channel in South Africa which only airs Indian content from Star India, and is completely duplicative of List of programmes broadcast by StarPlus. Airing dates are vague-waved guesses and non-specific, 'sources' claimed in the article are just generic weekly soap summaries or fansites. Redirect attempts and PROD refused by creating editor, thus here we are. Nate (chatter) 20:06, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 23:45, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY (has only played in the non-fully pro German 4th division). Nehme1499 17:54, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The one that has Brandt as a main topic appears to be a transfer announcement (from what I can see of it, as it's paywalled) in a local paper and the other articles only seem to mention him in passing. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. Having checked the history of the article and also searched online for information about the expression, I am convinced that this is either a hoax or WP:MADEUP, and in either case it should be speedily deleted. At a couple of months short of 12 years, this is probably by far the longest surviving hoax article I have seen. A sobering reminder that Wikipedia is a highly unreliable source. JBW (talk) 20:08, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This article has been uncited since 2008, and I cannot find any results for this term outside of Wikipedia itself and circular sources citing Wikipedia, or just the sentence "[…] just a bunch of bytes". An IP on the article's talk page suggested it might even be a hoax. Either way, if this is not a hoax, I reckon it is likely not notable enough for its own article anyway, unless notability can be established. Anonymous 7481 (talk) 17:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Eternal Shadow Talk 16:49, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Not seeing how this justifies a separate article from A Passage to India, the whole article is just an extended plot summary Hemiauchenia (talk) 08:36, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete I see that this could readily redirect to Barabar Caves - the movie itself incidentally was shot in southern India - Savandurga and Ramanagaram. Shyamal (talk) 09:01, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or Redirect. Fails GNG. Redirect if the term is mention in another article. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:37, 28 June 2021 (UTC) PS. Changing to weak keep after reviewing sources from A&H below. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:36, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Admittedly a bit unusual for a fictional setting, but there's a lot of coverage in reliable sources: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], and that's just from the first page of Google Scholar results. The article could be rewritten to focus more on these critical debates and a lot less on the plot summary, but it's a notable topic. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Arms & Hearts Can you provide evidence of SIGCOV that goes beyond google hits? I've looked at the first paper (HOLLINGSWORTH 1962) and while it uses the name of this location in the title, it contains no discussion of it - just two or three mentions in passing. It is not uncommon for an entity to be mentioned here and there while not being notable due to nobody bothering to actually discuss it. Arguably the second (Clubb 1963) has some SIGCOV ("The importance of the Marabar Caves is indicated by the emphasis given them in the opening chapter... the Marabar Caves are modeled on those of the Barabar Hills near Gaya... The ultimate mystery of the Marabar Caves, the mystery behind the existence of conscious spirit in the universe, is beyond the powers of the human intellect to solve"), as does the third (Shahane 1985: "The vast spaces and immensities of the landscape of the Marabar caves only reinforce the Zen Buddhist concept of space"), so I am changing my vote to Weak keep. But it would be much easier if you were to provide your analysis of the sources here instead of just google hits, and when your list of sources starts with a source that is shown to be irrelevant it weakness people's motivation to review the subsequent ones. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:36, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Piotrus: I'm not sure Hollingsworth 1962 is as irrelevant if you think. It's true that if you search the text for "Marabar caves" only a handful of mentions come up, but that's because the author tends to use the more natural "the caves" to refer to the location instead. The purpose of the article is fairly clearly laid out in the first paragraph as offering an interpretation of the symbolism of the caves. I haven't read the entirety of all the papers I linked (for lack of time and because I'd like to read the novel one day and don't want to spoil it for myself) but avoided linking any that didn't seem likely to contain substantial discussion, based on abstracts or introductory paragraphs. It's possible I'm wrong on one or two, but in that fairly unlikely turn of events we'd still be left with five or six peer-reviewed scholarly articles published over the course of decades, i.e. very good evidence for significant coverage. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 09:01, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:10, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable film, cannot find significant coverage per WP:NF BOVINEBOY2008 15:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:10, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable unreleased film, lacking significant coverage per WP:NF BOVINEBOY2008 15:02, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Nearlyevil665's analysis has remained uncontested. Sandstein 17:09, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Notability concerns for a knife thrower who appeared on a TV talent show. Sources are dubious (Facebook, Youtube), or are just TV listings. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 10:24, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Entertainment Weekly ([3]): Routine run-off-the-mill coverage of their performance at the AGT. No Wikipedia:SIGCOV.
USA Today ([1]): Another routine run-off-the-mill coverage of same performance at the AGT.
Newsweek ([4]): This mentions Alfredo once in an article that isn't about him or his duo.
Good House Keeping ([2]): Seems to cover Alan Silva more than Alfredo Silva. Even the header reads 'Who is Alan Silva?". nearlyevil665 09:24, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for checking those, NE. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:50, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. plicit 11:18, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Note that this article makes no statement of notability. The musician can be found in some movie/TV credits, but that is probably not his full-time job with 8 movie composition credits in 25 years and 4 songwriting credits in 27 years. For sources, I was only able to find one gig announcement [15] while he is sometimes mentioned in stories about his father [16]. I can find nothing more significant and reliable per the requirements at WP:NMUSICIAN, and he is only visible in basic directory listings. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:53, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 13:29, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Unsourced for years, was turned into a redirect in December for notability concerns. The redirect was taken to RfD (see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 30#Amasa Wright), which resulted in the article being restored without making a decision on notability. 3 of the 4 participants wanted it taken to AfD to decide where it should be added. I can't find any sourcing which actually verifies the claims made in this stub. There was a person by this name with his nephew who purchased some property and then later sold it. But the sourcing I found is unclear where it was located, and if he did subdivide it to "create" the city of Chicago. Definitely could not find enough about him to warrant a standalone article, and without better clarity on what his actual role was, not sure of an appropriate redirect. Onel5969 TT me 13:28, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete I see that he is briefly mentioned in some books of Chicago history, but I think this article overstates his importance. Jean Baptiste Point du Sable is celebrated as the "founder" of Chicago, and James Thompson is known for making the first plat of Chicago. Amasa Wright may have been a landowner of some sort, but he's not widely remembered in Chicago, and I don't think there's enough information available to support an article. Alfred T. Andreas' History of Chicago lists something like 17 Wrights in its index, but no Amasa. Of course, if someone can scrounge up more information, I'd be happy to change my mind. I am curious what the Willis Tower says (or said) in their display. Zagalejo (talk) 04:32, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The sourcing does not really support the claim. As stated by Zagalejo James Thompson was the person who created the first plat of Chicago.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:14, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom -MJ (talk) 02:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Eostrix  (🦉 hoot hoot🦉) 05:44, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Seems to be a case of WP:BLP1E, with the 1E being the scandal reported by the Washington Post. That WaPo citation is the only WP:RS in the entire article. The rest of the sources are WP:PRIMARY (papers he wrote, contributor profiles, blogs, YouTube, etc). Does not meet any of the bullet points in WP:NACADEMIC. My own searching didn't find anything useful. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:06, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I seem to be clearly in the minority here, so I'll withdraw the nomination to save everybody time. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep. The Google Scholar profile looks to me like a pass of WP:NPROF C1, even in a high citation field -- there are several articles with around 1000 citations, including first authored (in a field where that matters). He's also published several books, and WP:NAUTHOR looks plausible: reviews include [17] [18] on a short search. His Psychology Today profile [19] also lists some fellowships in scholarly associations which might pass WP:NPROF C3, although I didn't verify them. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 13:49, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. plicit 13:26, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable film, lacking significant coverage per WP:NF BOVINEBOY2008 11:37, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 14:57, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NACTOR Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 17:44, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was withdrawn by nominator. plicit 11:14, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Unsourced article about a now-defunct website. Tagged as {{advert}} since 2013. I read previous AFD discussions in 2011 and 2013 as giving it the "benefit of the doubt" given that it was still active. There are admittedly a few mentions in news/scholar/books/ProQuest but as far as I can tell, it's almost always passing mentions, footnotes or works by its founder Sam Bower. All in all, does not meet WP:WEBCRIT. JBchrch talk 10:48, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn. Substantial improvement by Netherzone. Still unsure about technical notability but there's no harm in keeping the good work of a neutral and competent editor. JBchrch talk 16:25, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak Delete I feel like there should be something out there, which I know isn't a valid argument for keeping. But I'm running into the same issues as the nom with much of the coverage being limited to papers by/interviews with the founders and others associated with the project. Want to keep looking though and hope I can find something, but at the moment doesn't appear to meet WEBCRIT, as stated. Star Mississippi 13:11, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment https://www.visualartsource.com/index.php?page=editorial&pcID=17&aID=401 provides some decent coverage that is not just "in passing", or "mere mention". 1866 words. I have not (yet) been able to find anything that has been written since its closure that discusses the museum's lasting impact or legacy. Vexations (talk) 12:40, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - The GreenMuseum actually was a "thing": an online museum yes, but mainly an online clearinghouse for information about environmental and ecological art, artists and "toolkits" for ecoart pedagogical practices. They had a lot of influence internationally in the short period of time they operated. The org has been defunct for a number of years so I'm not sure how much is still online, but from a quick BEFORE search, here are some things.... a simple Google Books search finds many book hits:[20], if I search with the founder's name "Sam Bower Greenmuseum" I get these:[21] hits on google scholar[22], over 20 hits on JSTOR[23], I'm also finding hits on newspapers.com[24]. Netherzone (talk) 14:09, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Netherzone your JSTOR results are part of what I ran into thinking there should be something. The museum's work was relatively well cited, but I haven't yet found much depth. It feels like a mix of academic/org guidelines are a better fit than web criteria, but they're not exact either. Star Mississippi 14:17, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Star Mississippi, yes, and another way to think about it would be as an extended socially engaged art project or Relational artwork of the founder, Sam Bower -- like a work of social sculpture. Netherzone (talk) 14:32, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • The thing is that WP:ORGCRIT is even more stringent that WP:WEBCRIT. WP:NJOURNALS only applies to journals publishing scholarly material, which the greenmuseum was not specialized in. Maybe just WP:GNG then... JBchrch talk 15:38, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • I am not in favour of turning AfD into an exercise of applying the notability guidelines as stringently as possible. Guidelines are not firm rules that need rigorous enforcement. The presumption of notability is just that. What really matters is verifiability: Do we have enough sources to sustain an article, not whether we can find a set of criteria that we can somehow meet, while ignoring another set. What is far more important than the guidelines is whether greenmuseum.org was the subject of a critical discourse. (Did people who matter discuss it as something that mattered?). I lean towards yes. Vexations (talk) 15:51, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • Vexations, I don't think we disagree. I don't see a way this passes Web criteria, so looking for other means it could pass. The cited element of academic, fort example. I do think notability is more than verifiability, it existed, did enough people take notice? In depth coverage still seems TBD, although we're beginning to find sources. Star Mississippi 15:58, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Article has just been stuffed. Delete the thing. Inadequate references. 22:08, 9 July 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djm-leighpark (talkcontribs)
  • Keep - The article sourcing has been improved, meets WP:GNG. There is probably enough out there to also support an article on the founder & executive director, Sam Bower. See article for improvements. Here is a five page article I just found about the online museum and some of its online exhibits in the journal Public Art Review[25]] - see pages 52-55. There are other resources out there as well for further development. Netherzone (talk) 16:00, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the article has been improved to the point where we now have significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. Vexations (talk) 16:02, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. No argument provided for a redirect. plicit 11:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't see any indication that any of these is ever called "global warring". A Google search for the term mostly gets articles about Global Warring: How Environmental, Economic, and Political Crises Will Redraw the World Map by Cleo Paskal. There's some case, then, to redirect this to Paskal's article, but a) the book isn't mentioned there and b) this is much more likely going to be an autocorrect error for "global warming", meaning that it's better to let the search engine sort this out for people. (If Global war were a DAB I'd say to redirect this there, but it redirects to World war, and retargeting this to that would probably necessitate a hatnote.) -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 09:45, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:02, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hoax article that portrays rumors as fact based on deprecated sources such as Anatolia Agency Viewsridge (talk) 09:17, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep: The most problematic inclusions have been removed since the creation of this AfD. The article is certainly notable, and there are plenty of reliable sources that exist ([26][27][28][29], these were literally the first 4 on Google). Curbon7 (talk) 14:14, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
All four of those refs only make mention of Egypts vocal support / recognition of Syrian Government. There are dozens of other countries that follow suit eg North Korea, Venezuela that don't need their own article about their "involvement" in the war. There is only one deprecated source about Egypts involvement in the conflict. Furthermore the infobox is considering Egypt a belligerent. Viewsridge (talk) 18:51, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Viewsridge, If the infobox is a problem, then just be bold and remove it yourself. Regarding the sources, the ones I provided here are fine, but if you really want, here are a few more [30][31][32] that show that Egypt's involvement is clearly of notability. Involvement is not necessarily militarily, but also diplomatically, economically, etc. On the other hand, as you brought up, Venezuela and North Korea's involvement is so miniscule that theirs are non-notable (and regardless, that argument is Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST), but this AfD is not about Venezuela or North Korea, it's about Egypt. And the sources that exist show that this easily passes WP:GNG. Curbon7 (talk) 19:06, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In its current form, with the hoaxes such as belligerently removed the article is three sentences wrong and not worthy of an article. Viewsridge (talk) 19:26, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - for notability concerns, but also per WP:TNT. The fact that so much content has been removed is indicative of the fact that this article just needs to start over. If someone wants to write this article, they can take up that responsibility. But an article like this is really just not acceptable. Also, if there even is any good coverage, it can be added to an existing Syrian Civil War article. versacespaceleave a message! 06:26, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Oganesson#Predicted compounds. czar 04:32, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Deprodded while providing only a primary source for this predicted compound of two elements too unstable to conduct chemical experiments. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 21:46, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. This is a fascinating theoretical possibility, but it remains just a possibility. In particular, this possible compound can only exist if the calculations are correct, and in the absence of corroborating documentation I don't think we can take this for granted. Don't get me wrong: if this compound is found to exist it will definitely merit its own article as the first of a family of superheavy stable compounds, but right now we have no empirical evidence for its existence and only one theoretical paper. This simply doesn't meet our criteria. RomanSpa (talk) 12:15, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Oganesson#Predicted compounds, as suggested by Polyamorph. I find the arguments in favour of deletion unpersuasive considering that we have a perfect place to merge this into. Likewise, I think the arguments in favour of keeping the article are undercut significantly by the existence of a perfect merge target. Merging seems to me an ideal solution. TompaDompa (talk) 17:06, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge as suggested above. It's clearly not notable enough for a standalone article, but the underlying research is legit, and there exists a proper article for merging. Tercer (talk) 09:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Oganesson#Predicted compounds as suggested above. There already is some relevant material in that section, including a theory paper from 1999. XOR'easter (talk) 15:29, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:01, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This page has no references at all and all sources I could find online are basically a laughing stock. There is no such thing as "non-segmented" file transfer because data stream segmentation is necessary for processing any file of reasonable size. In practice, this means that software must support "segmented" mode and "non-segmented" transfer is just a transfer with only one segment. Anton.bersh (talk) 08:17, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Follow-up: It might be worthwhile to redirect Segmented file transfer to somewhere in FTP or HTTP.
I see material online which is called "Segmented file transfer" but it is just low-effort blog spam.
  1. https://ijcset.net/docs/Volumes/volume6issue12/ijcset2016061201.pdf (I'm sorry for whoever had to write basically a generic blog post and format it as a research article)
  2. https://aatayyab.wordpress.com/2016/10/28/multi-threaded-vs-segmented-file-transfer-ftp/
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  • Draftify or soft delete: (with recommendation for use of alternative title if seeking to return a suitably and properly cited version to mainspace) While in the context of the primary article name of Segmented file transfer I might agree with the nom. but if looking at article in the context of the alternative names multisource file-transfer or swarming file-transfer then that may be more appropriate. Is the nom. a "laughing stock" for not showing the alternative names have been considered in their BEFORE? At brief glance the subject appears to be more focusing on parallelization/distributed techniques beyond those of the transport layer. Lack of references in the article is the big issue and indeed it is more of, or in fact perhaps totally, an opinion essay which will be difficult to cite as written. I'm not considering a Transwiki but if another does a credible and viable volunteer on that I'd probably not oppose it. Possibly notable if renamed and may re-purposed slightly, stubifying might help to avoid issues. Not sure I would work on this one, possibly/probably not.Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:10, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Djm-leighpark: To sum up, this article needs to be renamed to have a specific focus, then all irrelevant content needs to be removed and all unsourced content sourced and what is not sourceable, POV or factually incorrect needs to be removed. Since there is literally zero sources, this rewrite is basically WP:TNT with extra steps.
Since this article is mostly sourced from images and facts pulled from other pages, I propose an easy way out via deletion of the article and creation of a new article under appropriate names. Anton.bersh (talk) 07:19, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Anton.bersh: If you are volunteering to commit your resource into a WP:TNT that's fine, please make this explicitly clear. If you are proposing to volunteer someone else's resource then also make that clear. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 07:26, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Djm-leighpark: I'm volunteering to creating a disambiguation page in place of "Segmented file transfer" which would direct reader to a specific place in relevant articles, including FTP, BitTorrent, HTTP, and other protocols which have features that can be described as "segmented file transfer". To be clear, this would essentially remove all existing content of the article. I believe it is the right move because right now article has no verifiable content relevant to its current name. Anton.bersh (talk) 18:54, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Anton.bersh: If you're intention is to achieve the disambig page by editing a new revision that's fine by me (I - and I may be the only one - would regard that as a variant of WP:STUBIFY) welcome that. If the intention the the existing page incarnation is deleted and you were to create revision one of a new incarnation in its place with none of the previous history then I'd be looking at a stubify - possibly after a draftication and rename. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:46, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Anton.bersh: well, I think you have a point. Fixing this is "WP:TNT with extra steps" indeed. I would offer a little bit of help with fixing/remaking this article (I think this topic is not as relevant as it was several years ago), but would not be the one making it happen. BernardoSulzbach (talk) 10:23, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@BernardoSulzbach: I would appreciate any help, including links to reliable sources. I just could not find any good sources, hence this AfD. What do you think of my proposal below/above? Anton.bersh (talk) 18:58, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Anton.bersh: (replying for completeness) I don't have a better solution than your proposal. I've altered my vote to reflect that. BernardoSulzbach (talk) 19:08, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I see now (I didn't refresh and/or scroll down before). Anton.bersh (talk) 19:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@BernardoSulzbach: what would be the desired name for the article? Anton.bersh (talk) 06:51, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Anton.bersh: parallelized file transfer would already be an improvement. But maybe there's something better. Having sources for it would likely help us see what the literature normally calls this concept. BernardoSulzbach (talk) 10:20, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@BernardoSulzbach: "parallelized file transfer" does not incude another benefit of transmission of files in "segments", which is ability to pause and resume downloads and ability to survive network temporarily going down. This is very important for wireless networks (Wi-Fi, cell phones, satellite, in space, etc.). Also, it is basically a must for dowloading any sufficiently large file, e.g., an HD movie, OS or other software installer, or similar. Either way, renaming this article to something else and reworking it to fit the new name would constitute WP:TNT as I mentioned above.
Instead, I propose:
  1. deletion of the current article content (hence this AfD) and
  2. creation of disambiguation like "Segmented file transfer might refer to: a technique to parallelize file downloads via FTP, swarming in BitTorrent, data streaming in HTTP, etc."
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I think I agree. BernardoSulzbach (talk) 18:40, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 02:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Not enough coverage for a stand alone article. Fails GNG Pillechan (പിള്ളേച്ചനോട് പറ) 06:32, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 02:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Being a daughter of a famous actor, doesn't mean you are a notable actor too. Do not satisfy WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR DMySon 03:51, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. A WP:SNOW delete. JBW (talk) 15:34, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I am now confident that this article is a hoax, and part of a series of hoaxes at that.

  • blastingnews.com has been associated with several of the other hoaxes in the series (Christian Church International and Arnulf Seminary of Theology), so I have serious doubts about their reliability.
  • The only other sources the article has are three books. Two of these (Shrivastava and Czarniawska-Joerges) are available on Google Books; neither of them contain "Conservative News Agency of New York" or "CNA-NY" at all. Those falsified references were both present in the first revision of the article, not the addition of some later hoaxer.
  • Doing a web search failed to turn up any evidence of this media outlet that doesn't trace back to Wikipedia. If they have a website, I can't find it. This would be, to put it mildly, unusual for a media outlet in 2021.
  • This article was significantly expanded by Klaus Bells, who created a number of other hoaxes.

As with the last few, any admin convinced by the above evidence could close this as a G3; I opened this AfD mainly to record evidence in an easy-to-find place. Also note that since this article lasted more than four years, it probably merits an entry on WP:HOAXLIST when deleted. Vahurzpu (talk) 03:18, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Daniel (talk) 02:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable actor; could not find any WP:SIGCOV about him. Natg 19 (talk) 17:47, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Daniel (talk) 02:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Virtually totally primary sourced. Was draftified in the hopes of improvement, and then moved back without improvement. Searches turned up zero in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources. Fails WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 19:02, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: This article is basically a personal novel of sorts, primary sourced only multiple times over, and search results don't bring anything up that could easily improve the article. Pretty blatantly fails WP:GNG and looks to have been fluffed to mask that. Tautomers(T C) 02:30, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Spent a few minutes looking at this. I agree that there are no good secondary English-language sources that cover Virginia Angiola Borrino. In [1], Borrino is referred to (unnamed) as a "well-known Italian paediatrician", which suggests the existence of additional non-English historical sources: "Adalbert Czerny (1863–1941) had also published a work on infant nutrition and nutritional disturbances (1906) (Schabel 1995, pp. 42–43), and a collection of lectures, Der Arzt als Erzieher, 1908(The Physician as educator: a handbook for doctors, mothers and teachers), which was translated into Italian in 1913 by a well-known Italian paediatrician with the title Il medico educatore del bambino: libro per medici, per le madri, per i maestri (Czerny 1913)." Clicking on a random reference in the Italian article, I found [2] (source from 1981, Google translated w/ attempted fixes): "The cultural setting was high from the start: the confemnzieri were university students or famous writers, and in addition to conferences there were courses in Italian literature, foreign literature, music, and childcare. For the latter I will mention the active, long collaboration of Angiola Borrino: pediatrician, university professor, chair holder in Perugia." A passing mention, but again evidence of potential further coverage. Overall, I might be inclined to say the article needs attention from an Italian-fluent expert, but probably meets the bar as far as historical notability goes. One could consider adding the template that says "this article could be expanded from the Italian language article". Suriname0 (talk) 16:08, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the edit history, I see the draftify was quite recent. My vote is to move it back to draft space: the article clearly has merit, just needs more time. Suriname0 (talk) 16:24, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Officially leaning Keep: Here's an English-language bio [3]. Just a paragraph, but quite focused on Borrino and her merits: "Angiola Borrino was the first woman Chief of a University Pediatric Ward." Suriname0 (talk) 16:24, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Leaning keep, or move to draft. The Italian Wikipedia article seems to be somewhat more substantial, but not better sourced. Still, the opportunity should be provided for better sources in Italian to be found. BD2412 T 01:52, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep I made a couple of additions to the article. While it definitely needs to be cleaned up and subsections formatted better, the subject seems very plainly notable. She was a founding member of one of the premier medical institutions in Italy, not to mention her well covered work on infants and maternity research in the early 1900's. SilverserenC 04:04, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: With sources such as this (already cited), it looks to me as if she was one of the most important pediatric figures of her day. The presentation of the article could be improved but it is certainly not a candidate for removal. It is not surprising relatively few sources show up in Google searches. The internet did not begin to develop substantially until the 21st century.--Ipigott (talk) 08:55, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There's an English language abstract in this paper which demonstrates notability:

    One hundred years ago, medical women's access to directing functions took place. For 42 years they had been practicing medical women in Italy, but they were relegated to marginal functions. In 1918 the lack of medical officers, determined by the prolongation of the Great War, the institutions of the time, even if dominated by a clearly masculine mentality had to entrust important tasks to women, and so, in 1918 Paola Zappa became the first hospital primary woman and in particular in pediatrics. The following year, again for the same reason, Angiola Borrino was appointed director of the Clinic and of the Pediatric Chair of the University of Siena, thus being the first in every medical specialty in Italy. After the emergency, not only the State did not reward these two women who had cooperated with their services to handle the difficult situation, but even, after the war, they were deprived for a few years of directing functions and boycotted by male colleagues who did not accept the role of the woman doctor in the managerial functions. In the study the biographies of the two women are analyzed and compared with those of men who lived in the same period to document the penalization suffered by women.

And, having recently had to defend another similar case of a pioneering female doctor from the same era, we see that, a century later, a systematic process of trying to shut out women continues. Tsk.
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(Smack forehead) I knew that. I just had a brain lapse. So sorry. Corrected above. Best.4meter4 (talk) 15:41, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Sources added only serve to further cement notability. We have to use common sense sometimes when looking at these articles. I sympathize with the fact the sources are in Italian which means that it may be more difficult for some to understand but looking at her life and accomplishments and taking into account the era in which she is from should assist in coming to the conclusion she was notable for her time and notability, once established, is forever. --ARoseWolf 18:49, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep -Yupik (talk) 05:23, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep clearly a major figure and many sources are available. We cannot expect to compare her to a person that lived in the internet age, the availability of many sources for someone who died 1965 speaks for itself. --hroest 18:41, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Although analyst coverage is a positive sign for notability, the clear consensus from this discussion is that the article as written relies too much on non-independent sources and is written in a promotional tone. No prejudice against creating a new article that focuses on how the company is presented in independent reliable sources. RL0919 (talk) 05:53, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This was deleted via speedy today and was recreated today itself. The draft looks pretty much same with a bit of trimming. Still fails WP:NCORP Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:02, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Since the nomination the article has been revised by the article creator and couple other persons from the community. Summing up taken actions:

1. Additional references has been added to the article

2. References to "SER Group" home page has been significantly limited from 13 out of 33 to 3 out of 36

3. Ambiguous references to Wiki articles has been removed and this badge is already removed

4. "Article as oprhant" issue has been managed as there are 2-3 articles referencing to this article however the badge was not removed by the nominator due to unknown reasons

5. All mentioned so far issues related to "deletion consideration" has been managed. For example, last suggestion was to provide 3 best Reliable WP:RS and Notable WP:SIGCOV sources of information about the article topic following article WP:THREE.

Answering it the following sources has been provided:

a) Gartner publishes the information about SER Group and its product Doxis4 since 2015 and the last one is from 2020: (the solution was first in Enterprise Content Management - ECM category and then in Content Services Platforms category)

* in November 2020 SER Group has been defined as a Visionary in The Gartner Magic Quadrant for Content Services Platforms 2020[1][2][2][3]

b) Forrester publishes the information about SER Group and its product Doxis4 since 2017 and the last one is from 2021:

* in June 2021 SER Group has been recognized as “Strong Performer” in Forrester Wave™: Content Platforms report[4]

c) Information about SER from Dun & Bradstreet

* About SER Group[5]

Gartner & Forrester are well known, independent IT research companies, which reports are widely used and they are treated as reliable source of information for strategic decisions in big enterprises. Dun & Bradstreet is a very noble organization outside IT world providing commercial data, analytics, and insights for businesses since 1841. All the information below were and are in SER Group article - I have just provided today additional references to Gartner).

Information about similar companies/products like Alfresco Software or Pegasystems are in Wikipedia since long time ago and the article provides only the basic information about similar company. I willing to share my knowledge about this specific, technical "sub-culture".

Basing on this summary I would like to ask kindly about removing "deletion consideration" and "Article as oprhant" badges OR detail, merytoric information what should be changed or updated, so the knowledge may be properly shared.

References

  1. ^ SER Group a Visionary in the Gartner Magic Quadrant for Content Services Platforms 2020, workfloworg
  2. ^ a b Gartner Magic Quadrant for Content Services Platforms, Gartner
  3. ^ SER Group Reviews, Gartner
  4. ^ The Forrester Wave™: Content Platforms, Q2 2021, The 14 Providers That Matter Most And How They Stack Up, June 14, 2021, Forrester
  5. ^ About SER Group, Dun & Bradstreet


  • Comment2 Hi Nomadicghumakkad. I took last action on the article a week ago and since then nothing has changed. Now You request others to participate. Did "others" add the "for deletion" badge? If there is any other "group" of people who should "accept"/"approve" the article let me/us know it please - I guess the process should be transparent, so its participants should be known as well, correct? So far, I was thinking that creator of the badge takes responsibility for his own action. Let me know please if there is anything more to do/correct/add/change/delete (I am opened for merytorical discussion) OR remove the badge please. Thank You in advance for Your support to improve the quality of Wikipedia. Akoszlajda (talk) 08:06, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]


  • Comment Let me start by telling you that I don't appreciate your tone and I basically owe you nothing. I do Wiki voluntarily and can respond or not respond based on my discretion. If you don't receive timely or appropriate response from me, feel free to reach out to others or ask at WP:TEA. I own nothing here. No one does. This is an open collaborative platform. So stop building a pressure on me to respond and pin it on me! I very rarely lose my cool but you are pushing me on the verge. Your desperation clearly reeks of WP:COI so I would recommend to the closing admin that this is draftified and vetted through AFC process before putting it in the main space. Now, coming to the sources,
[43] mentions the subject once. Do you have access to the full report where we can read what's written about the company? I might have assumed good faith and moved on believing that in-depth discussion is present indeed in this report. But I don't think you deserve good faith here. So please provide the entire report so that we can read what exactly is written in the report and we can determine if this would qualify as a source.
[44] - not a reliable source. Complete Promo.
[45] - User generated reviews. Not reliable.
[46] - This is taken from your own website. Please provide original report.
[47] - Company profiling. Neither independent nor reliable.

through out the course of this discussion, even if it is proven that the company is notable; I would prefer this to be drafitfied since it can't be present in mainspace in current state and go through a proper AFC process. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 09:01, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Lads and Gents,

I am pretty sure You know each other (or at least some of You know some others), but I must admit I do not know any of You. This is why I want You to make the table clean and start the topic from the scratch...

I want You to know that I am adding information about the company voluntarily as well and I am not paid for it despite I cooperate with the company (I do not hide it). If somebody doubts my intentions, I am opened to discuss it and to explain the technical nature of my work as I am just IT delivery guy. It seems to me like You are fed up with revising too many marketing articles, but please do not make shortcuts in here and do not treat me as the marketer, because I am not the one!

All the information in the article comes from publicly available sources and it can be verified - please point me out which speciif statement is "too promotional" or incorrect, because I did my best to present just pure facts showing the resources each time. If you complain about the words like "Vistionary" or "Challenger" You need to understand that these things have specific meaning in Gartner's world and You need to dig in a little before making your own opinion - these are not marketing terms as You may read them. If You want to provide other resources I am opened for them. If You want to reshape the whole article reusing the facts listed by me - please propse better version. I like to create things and I am opened for constructive critism, but please think for a while, what would You think when somebody simply would tell You: "I do not like You!" ? The article is not "promo", but set of facts! This article is at the end of the road just a short note about the company and its main product - nothing more. This article is meant to fill in a white spot as Wikipedia contains already similar articles about other IT companies like OpenText and Alfresco. I am wondering now how these arcticles have been created and confirmed in Wikipedia. If the article is "banned" it means in fact non-equal treatment and You should as well remove the articles about OpenText, Alfresco and going further also about IBM and Microsoft BTW, these companies are also listed in mentioned Gartner are Forrester reports.

I am not a perfect person - nobody is, but to be honest I was and I am waiting for the support to make this article better or at least acceptable. This is why I will try again to answer merytorically on the issues mentioned above by You:

  • I am "Get The Things Done" type of the guy and this is why I am willing to get to the end of this discusssion in whatever way it will finish

Once a day I am checking updates - I do not expect it from You, but I would like to know at least when/from whom I will get the response and how the whole communicatio will work. I have double checked my previous post and I did not notice any impropriate tone in my writing - I just do not know how the process works and I am willing to find it out. I want also to close the topic efficiently, especially that I spend my private time on it ;)

  • 3 sources - 5 linkages comment: As I have mentioned, noble and well-known in IT-world reports from Gartner and Forrester are paid, so I can not share them with You. FYI, Even if 10, 20 or 30 people except You will write below that Gartner and Forrester are not reliable source of information... this will not change anything and it will be still false information.

These are so strong brands on IT market that I do not need to prove it - they prove themselves. Simple technical question... Do You know how many companies world-wide Gartner report covers in specific categories each year? It is not 1000, it is not 100, it just about 20 and among this number You will find most often brands well known to You like Oracle, Microsoft, IBM. These reports are prepared by these agencies since many years, by very professional IT analysts (no, I do not know any of them personally). You can also easily find out how they select these companies and other details of their process - they provide full transparency in this matter.

Despite this, I have spent some time to find for You indepent extract from mentioned report (resource 1). If You do not trust it, You can make the research on Your own and check, if Gartner and Forrester mention the company or not AND what means being in specific quadrant. You will find out for example that "Visionary" does not mean the best in breed. Small tip in here: Open Google and see what images can be found after looking for the phrase like "Gartner Magic Quadrant 2020 Content Services Platforms" This type of pictures are very often shared in many various IT articles and IT blogs. "Gartner Magic Quadrant" is well known term among IT advisory experts. If Your treat source 2 & 3 (Gartner) as non-reliable and promo source... I would love to see You making this statement at some IT conference ;)

Source 4... The link point to german newspaper "pressserrade.de" - I do not understand why You claim this is "my web site". If You do not trust it please do the similar research as suggested for Gartner. For example: look at Google images for: "Forrester Wave ™: Content Platforms, Q2 2021"

Source 5... This was meant to be as-dry-as-possible source information about the company from non-IT world prooving just basic facts about the Company Profile. I did it mainly to limit any space for interpretation. Dun&Bradstreet... there is an article in Wikipedia about the company. Have You read it? Have You checked there since when the company exists, how many employees it has and how big is its revenue? (No, I do not know any employee from this company and I have never contacted them - it sounded to me just like a reliable source of information found on internet). I am really asthonished how easily You claim that such company is not independent and is not relaiable - can You provide some prooves/analysis for such a statement?

  • If English is "awful" please help me to improve it. I admit I am not native-speaker, but still it does not sound like a constructive argument. Please provide correction suggestions - I am opened for them especially that this is not a long article.
  • If I am providing too many sources help me to limit them.

BTW, If I would provide less sources then I would get probably the argument that there is too little resources. BTW2, I was asked about providing TOP 3 resources and I did it above, so I do not understand where from "bombing" argument comes

  • If there is argument that this is "IT product promotion" please show me exact phrase where I provide "promo" or false facts? I was trying to avoid in the article any adjectives except sources titles.

Except this I try to use simple language where most info comes from various pages and as mentioned above just 3 out of 36 sources comes from company web page. The document is also formatted in such a way that this is very easy to dispute about specific bullet and statement. If You have better idea how to shape this information - please propose the alternative version.


If You have checked me.. have You checked something else except one of many companies with which I am cooperating right now? I admit I am not a young person and I work in IT for over 20 years in various companies - this is a major reason, why I want to share my knowledge - I feel old ;) I have published so far in Poland 2 technical books about various IT delivery aspects like Project Management. In the past I have provided the input to Wikipedia EN to other IT articles and I was just willing to come back to the same river ;), but I see that many things have changed. I repeat: "I am willing to share my knowledge" and so far I was a great fan of Wikipedia. Please be merytorical, spend the fraction of the time, which I have spend preparing this article and help me to keep the faith in the original concept of Wikipedia, which is sharing the knowledge. For now many articles related to ECM and BPM are quite obsolote in Wikipedia EN and I am looking for the person(s) with whom I can refresh the information starting with this (I thought simple) article.

It is possible that the shape of the information could be better - I am not a journalist and I am opened to work out better version of the article, however I need a help if this is the issue. From this point I see following options: a) Somebody will delete this article - this action will be in my opinion unfair, if the other, similar companies have articles about them in Wikipedia b) There is one or many persons who will rewrite this article without me - I am fine with it as far as new version will not present false information. I may even promise You to stop my engagement in this topic for some period of time if I know somebody else tekes it over and my work is not waisted. c) There is one or many persons willing to work on this article with me - in such a case I would like only to know who leads the topic to manage communication better d) There is one or many persons who will let me know what needs to be done so the "for deletion" badge is removed - in such a case I would like to know who is the main person sending these annotations as I do not want to be bombarded and I have experience with such communication knowing that very soon I may find mutually exlusive suggestions - somebody will have to take the decision then, which one is proper (eg. above too many/too little sources) e) The "deletion badge" is simply removed and any further improvements are done afterwards as it happens for many other articles in Wikipedia, which starts to live their own lives.

So... Please do not kill this topics so easily and as You are not the one who spent 24+ hours on preparing it. Let me know please how can we close this discussion quickly in this or in the other way. I am opened for any "tea", "teleconference" or any other collaboration plan which help to find compromise quickly and efficiently for all of us, the best in couple of next days. Let me know if this is possible to talk with You in a little bit more on-line version than Talk page. I am using Tesms, SkyPe and GoToMeeting, but we may use any other on-line tool.

Please don't play coy when you see you are losing the discussion. These tacts won't work. You not reading the guidelines and jumping to create a page and spending 24 hours is not our problem. When it was speedy deleted, did you consult anyone before recreation? Also read WP:OTHER. My suggestion (if you will pay any attention to it at all) - let this discussion be completed. If deleted, start a draft (not in mainspace) and ask help from others to write the draft appropriately since there is a clear COI. Please read all important policies like WP:RS, WP:VER, WP:NPOV and familiarise yourself with those. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:35, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Have a look at the contributions. I'm wondering if this username login was cracked or something - David Gerard (talk) 06:50, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have read carefully Your answers. I have different opinion, but... this discussion seems to take us nowhere as You start using personal arguments ("don't play coy", "I'm wondering if this username login was cracked or something")... Do not count on the same from my side ;) In one of the Wiki articles about Talk I have read that we should stay objective and positive :) If You have some constructive proposition please let me know it - I do not count providing next set of general guidelines as constructive proposition, because... If in a good will I will edit the article right now, You will contest it anyway. If Your major argument is COI, it seems to me that the only way how we can get to something positive is through the collaborative work, but so far none of You have engaged in editing article itself, so... If You do not have any constructive proposition please remove the article OR move it to the other "better place" :) If You decide to delete it, maybe the topic will come back in future as You suggest as "a draft (not in the mainspace)" OR maybe not. BTW, Is there anybody who would help me to edit this article in this or in the other place? :D (I guess I know the answer and I bet a beer or two on it, which the most probably I will drink with my friends sharing our opinion about Wikipedia :D).

I give it one more try and I have just significantly refactored the article. The content of the article is right now as-fact-based-as-possible and I do not see the space to make it more fact-based ;) Again... any further suggestions are warmly welcomed, however I appreciate more concreate suggestions than generic statements, which are impossible for me to be handled precisely. Again2... I am happy to see anybody else co-editing this article.

  • The problem with the article is not that it was a bulleted list but that it is a promotional pamphlet and not an encyclopedia article. It is a list of the company's products, services, awards, and clients, with only the barest details about the company itself. This content can't be salvaged without starting from new.Citing (talk) 13:47, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 02:41, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2009 Manchester, New Hampshire municipal election (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
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No need for an article dedicated to the entire 2009 Manchester, NH municipal elections.

The more important component of the municipal election (the mayoral election) has all the information now located in a subsection of the new article Mayoral elections in Manchester, New Hampshire. It fits comfortably there, and does not need to be spun-off.

Whereas the content about the aldermanic election (not included in the new article) does not appear to be notable itself. No indication that those aldermanic races were notable.

I think that it should be a full deletion, rather than a redirect, as its title is an unlikely search term for those looking for just the mayoral election. SecretName101 (talk) 01:18, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. plicit 02:29, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Forum Snowboarding (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
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While attempting to clean up Peter Line, I was unable to find any sources meeting WP:ORGCRIT to support this page on Forum Snowboarding. Fails WP:NCORP. CNMall41 (talk) 22:41, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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The result was delete. plicit 02:27, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Airlock, or How to Say Goodbye in Space (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
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Non-notable short film, lacking significant coverage per WP:NF BOVINEBOY2008 00:15, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, or How to Not Create a Wikipedia Article. I was skeptical to vote that due to its notable leads, but holy Moses is coverage hard to find on this. It is listed on Michael Sheen's official website [48], and GNews search gives you a /Film article recommending the film to Ad Astra viewers, but that's too little to satisfy GNG. 👨x🐱 (talk) 01:40, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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